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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:16 am
Post subject: Bunny Problem
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I have a problem with my bun and can't figure out what is causing it.
Neither can my vet.
It happens periodically; this is the second time in a week. Prior to this it
happened every few weeks, so the window of occurrences is narrowing, which I
don't like.
Symptoms:
He will stop eating. He goes to his nest box and instead of casually
lounging as usual, he "fidgets." He changes position from side to side, he
sits one way, then another. In other words, he is restless. Or he will go to
his litter box and sit. For a long time, but he doesn't poop or pee. He just
sits.
This issue will suddenly go away in about 4 hours or so. I have listened to
his stomach and it is gurgling fine.
The first thing I thought was GI stasis. I have had bunnies with that before
and it doesn't come and go on such short order. Plus when I observed GI
stasis before, there were no "happy tummy" sounds. Just a dead silence.
I do give my bunny Simethicone when this happens but other than that, I
don't know what to do. By the time I take him to my vet, he's okay!
I have slowly narrowed his foods down to the bare bones of hay and pellets.
All veggies were cut out one by one because I was trying to see if he was
having a reaction to anything he ate.
Since this problem has been around for a while, he has been eating different
kinds of hay so I also don't think it's that.
As I indicated, my vet has no suggestions either. She is fairly competent
with bunnies, having treated all of mine for 14 years or so. I can't find
anything anywhere that fits the description of what is going on.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 12:33 pm
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X-ray! Probably a must. Whatever it is, you need to see, it sooner
rather than later. If there's nothing to see, so much the better,
Has your vet let you try a propulsid like Reglan? Different types of
hay can cause problems even more than some veggies. I don't feel that
narrowing his diet to, "bare bones", is a good thing.
Best wishes & luck!
Professor, The Jump, Zolo, Wizard, & Magic Brenda
Fuller Wrath wrote:
>I have a problem with my bun and can't figure out what is causing it.
>Neither can my vet.
>
>It happens periodically; this is the second time in a week. Prior to this it
>happened every few weeks, so the window of occurrences is narrowing, which I
>don't like.
>
>Symptoms:
>
>He will stop eating. He goes to his nest box and instead of casually
>lounging as usual, he "fidgets." He changes position from side to side, he
>sits one way, then another. In other words, he is restless. Or he will go to
>his litter box and sit. For a long time, but he doesn't poop or pee. He just
>sits.
>
>This issue will suddenly go away in about 4 hours or so. I have listened to
>his stomach and it is gurgling fine.
>
>The first thing I thought was GI stasis. I have had bunnies with that before
>and it doesn't come and go on such short order. Plus when I observed GI
>stasis before, there were no "happy tummy" sounds. Just a dead silence.
>
>I do give my bunny Simethicone when this happens but other than that, I
>don't know what to do. By the time I take him to my vet, he's okay!
>
>I have slowly narrowed his foods down to the bare bones of hay and pellets.
>All veggies were cut out one by one because I was trying to see if he was
>having a reaction to anything he ate.
>
>Since this problem has been around for a while, he has been eating different
>kinds of hay so I also don't think it's that.
>
>As I indicated, my vet has no suggestions either. She is fairly competent
>with bunnies, having treated all of mine for 14 years or so. I can't find
>anything anywhere that fits the description of what is going on.
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>
>
> >> Stay informed about: Bunny Problem |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 12:33 pm
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She said Reglan was to be used only when the poops stopped. I can call
tomorrow to see about a X-ray. Right now he eats oat hay mostly. Some
timothy.
"Professor" wrote in message
> X-ray! Probably a must. Whatever it is, you need to see, it sooner
> rather than later. If there's nothing to see, so much the better, Has
> your vet let you try a propulsid like Reglan? Different types of hay can
> cause problems even more than some veggies. I don't feel that narrowing
> his diet to, "bare bones", is a good thing.
>
> Best wishes & luck!
>
> Professor, The Jump, Zolo, Wizard, & Magic Brenda
>
>
>
> Fuller Wrath wrote:
>
>>I have a problem with my bun and can't figure out what is causing it.
>>Neither can my vet.
>>
>>It happens periodically; this is the second time in a week. Prior to this
>>it happened every few weeks, so the window of occurrences is narrowing,
>>which I don't like.
>>
>>Symptoms:
>>
>>He will stop eating. He goes to his nest box and instead of casually
>>lounging as usual, he "fidgets." He changes position from side to side, he
>>sits one way, then another. In other words, he is restless. Or he will go
>>to his litter box and sit. For a long time, but he doesn't poop or pee. He
>>just sits.
>>
>>This issue will suddenly go away in about 4 hours or so. I have listened
>>to his stomach and it is gurgling fine.
>>
>>The first thing I thought was GI stasis. I have had bunnies with that
>>before and it doesn't come and go on such short order. Plus when I
>>observed GI stasis before, there were no "happy tummy" sounds. Just a dead
>>silence.
>>
>>I do give my bunny Simethicone when this happens but other than that, I
>>don't know what to do. By the time I take him to my vet, he's okay!
>>
>>I have slowly narrowed his foods down to the bare bones of hay and
>>pellets. All veggies were cut out one by one because I was trying to see
>>if he was having a reaction to anything he ate.
>>
>>Since this problem has been around for a while, he has been eating
>>different kinds of hay so I also don't think it's that.
>>
>>As I indicated, my vet has no suggestions either. She is fairly competent
>>with bunnies, having treated all of mine for 14 years or so. I can't find
>>anything anywhere that fits the description of what is going on.
>>
>>Any suggestions?
>>
>> >> Stay informed about: Bunny Problem |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 2:26 pm
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my advice would be to have him checked for bladdersand (sludge) or even
stones. I remember my Zest sitting akwardly (sp.?). I never saw her strain
but she did have a bladder full of sludge which made her unhappy. Your vet
could check for crystals in the urine, or maybe an X-ray.
Good luck
Els
"Fuller Wrath" schreef in bericht
>I have a problem with my bun and can't figure out what is causing it.
>Neither can my vet.
>
> It happens periodically; this is the second time in a week. Prior to this
> it happened every few weeks, so the window of occurrences is narrowing,
> which I don't like.
>
> Symptoms:
>
> He will stop eating. He goes to his nest box and instead of casually
> lounging as usual, he "fidgets." He changes position from side to side, he
> sits one way, then another. In other words, he is restless. Or he will go
> to his litter box and sit. For a long time, but he doesn't poop or pee. He
> just sits.
>
> This issue will suddenly go away in about 4 hours or so. I have listened
> to his stomach and it is gurgling fine.
>
> The first thing I thought was GI stasis. I have had bunnies with that
> before and it doesn't come and go on such short order. Plus when I
> observed GI stasis before, there were no "happy tummy" sounds. Just a dead
> silence.
>
> I do give my bunny Simethicone when this happens but other than that, I
> don't know what to do. By the time I take him to my vet, he's okay!
>
> I have slowly narrowed his foods down to the bare bones of hay and
> pellets. All veggies were cut out one by one because I was trying to see
> if he was having a reaction to anything he ate.
>
> Since this problem has been around for a while, he has been eating
> different kinds of hay so I also don't think it's that.
>
> As I indicated, my vet has no suggestions either. She is fairly competent
> with bunnies, having treated all of mine for 14 years or so. I can't find
> anything anywhere that fits the description of what is going on.
>
> Any suggestions?
> >> Stay informed about: Bunny Problem |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 2:26 pm
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To all:
Thanks for the info so far. The only reason I cut back on his veggies was
as a diagnostic tool. I am always suspicious of peppers from Brazil,
blueberries from Chile, etc. Can't we buy any American produce any more?
(RANT RANT)
I also removed all his cardboard "hidey holes" because he likes to chew on
them, although I thought cardboard was okay for bunnies. But then again,
where does the cardboard come from? (MORE RANT)
Then I cleaned his nest. He really was annoyed because I disassembled all
his cloths, vacuumed out the hair (there was a ton) and cardboard shavings,
and then tried to put it back together to suit him.
He has a diet of a variety of hays from busybunny. Mostly oat hay, mature
and fresh. He really likes that the best. NO alfalfa.
I will call tomorrow to set up an x ray. I will also reintroduce green
peppers first (his favorite) and then other veggies. >> Stay informed about: Bunny Problem |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 7:01 pm
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Hi, My first thought was bladder infection, but like Els says, it
could also be sludge and/or bladder infection(uti). You need to get
him to the vet for a urine test and/or blood work, and/or x-rays.
Often a vet can feel stones, but sludge needs an x-ray. Sitting in the
litter box with nothing happening is usually a sign of uti. It could
be painful which can cause them to also stop eating. K, let us know
how things are going. God Bless, Arlette >> Stay informed about: Bunny Problem |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 6:23 pm
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Update:
Tomorrow (02/23) he goes in for a minimum of an x ray and urine sample. In
the meanwhile I have restored his veggies and am phasing down or out the
pellets since I have been told repeatedly that bun don't need pellets if
they have veggies and hay as staples. >> Stay informed about: Bunny Problem |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:37 pm
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At this point, I wouldn't make any changes until you find out what is
going on medically. Changing things now might cause more complications
and you won't know if it's the diet or the medical issue. Also, if he
is in any pain or has a gut slow down, that will be one less food that
he could be eating to keep things moving.
.. The pellet/no pellet debate still rages on without any definitive
studies or evidence that one is better than the other. Some bunnies
are fine without pellets, but some lose too much weight, especially
when they get older and need the nutritional support.
My belief is that a small amount of pellets is beneficial since one
can't know the nutrient content of hays or if it is consistent. A few
pellets ensure a full range of nutrients is in your rabbit's diet. IMO >> Stay informed about: Bunny Problem |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:57 am
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Actually I was told that it's a good idea to give your rabbits some
pellets. A good brand of pellets contains some vitamins and trace
elements that your rabbit may not get from the limited amount of greens
that you can supply. An eighth of a cup is probably not too much and
will give your rabbit those extra vitamins. My three boys share a
quarter of a cup of pellets every night. I mix my pellets. Half fancy
breeder pellets, and half timothy basic. Good luck with the x-rays, I
hope you find nothing of great concern.
Professor, The Jump, Zolo, Wizard, & Magic Brenda
Fuller Wrath wrote:
>Update:
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>Tomorrow (02/23) he goes in for a minimum of an x ray and urine sample. In
>the meanwhile I have restored his veggies and am phasing down or out the
>pellets since I have been told repeatedly that bun don't need pellets if
>they have veggies and hay as staples.
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>
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 7:14 pm
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Update today. X ray showed nothing but a normal bunny bladder. Now I get to
collect some bunny pee for testing. Well, he gets a new litter pan in the
process. I hope this next test turns out negative too. >> Stay informed about: Bunny Problem |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 3:26 am
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happy to hear the X-ray was clear!
Els
"Fuller Wrath" schreef in bericht
> Update today. X ray showed nothing but a normal bunny bladder. Now I get
> to collect some bunny pee for testing. Well, he gets a new litter pan in
> the process. I hope this next test turns out negative too.
> >> Stay informed about: Bunny Problem |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 6:30 pm
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Newer update.
He passed his urinalysis. They are going to send it to a lab for a more
extensive test. My bun raised hell with me just to get a sample of his pee!! >> Stay informed about: Bunny Problem |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 5:26 am
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Hi
I don't know how you would get a sample. Would just mopping up from the
litter tray do?
Richard.
"Fuller Wrath" wrote in message
> Newer update.
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> He passed his urinalysis. They are going to send it to a lab for a more
> extensive test. My bun raised hell with me just to get a sample of his
> pee!!
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:16 pm
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The method I used to get Cocoa's urine was to use a uripet. The vets
usually have them. They have a little scoop-like spoon at one end a
short handle and a little vial at the other end screwed under the
scoop...sort of. Anyway, you just put the scoop under their bottoms
while they pee and it goes right into the vial. Cocoa didn't mind at
all...they don't really know you're doing it of you don't touch their
butts. I'm surprised the vets don't suggest them more for rabbit
owners.
I sure hope they can determine your bun's issue.
God Bless, Arlette >> Stay informed about: Bunny Problem |
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:27 pm
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Hi
Dad had to get a sample from a horse.He held a tin can under it to catch
some of the flow. When the horse heard the din he stopped. It got so that
the horse would pee but whenever the tin approached he stopped. It became a
bit of a dance. (We were killing ourselves just watching.) Would you call it
a "Can-Cant"?
Richard
"Richard Rudd" wrote in message
> Hi
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> I don't know how you would get a sample. Would just mopping up from the
> litter tray do?
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> Richard.
> "Fuller Wrath" wrote in message
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>> Newer update.
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>> He passed his urinalysis. They are going to send it to a lab for a more
>> extensive test. My bun raised hell with me just to get a sample of his
>> pee!!
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> >> Stay informed about: Bunny Problem |
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